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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
		<link>https://solopracticeuniversity.com/2011/04/24/you-ask-i-answer-should-i-go-to-law-school/#comment-6367</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Jay Foonberg:

Susan,
Your advice is good. Let me augment it a bit.
 
I would add to your excellent advice:
 
Go to as many bar association lunches as you an. Sit at tables where there ae lawyers. Listen to them talk. Learn from their talk what they do. Introduce yourself as a student and say you want  to learn more about being a lawyer. They will tell you a lot more than you thought to ask about. Ask them the question:
&quot;If you had it to do all over again, would you have gone to law school?&quot;  Their answers will give you an excellent series of answers to your questions.
 
Anyone considering law school should ask themselves&quot;
&quot;Do I want to go to law school just to go to law school? Or do I want to go to law school to become a lawyer?&quot;

    People have varied reasons for going to law school other than to become a practicing lawyer. Some of the more common ones are:
    Delaying earning a living for 3 or 4 years 
    Delaying a marital or child bearing situation 
    Delaying military service
    Trust fund money continues so long as an erolled student
    Easier than having to learn &quot;stuff&quot; like accounting or mathematics or science.
    Looks like the fast track to big bucks based on what lawyers do and their life styles on TV and in the movies.
    Being ignorant of what a business is, they think law is a money grabbing business, not a profession.
    Totally misguided  belief in what lawyers earn based on the press releases of the largest firms and those who indicate they can get you that kind of money.

Most of the unhappy lawyers whom I meet are people who never should have gone to law school to begin with.
 
As you point out, they knew little to nothing about what it means to be a lawyer before starting law school.
 
I lectured for many years at Campbell University Law School in North Carolina as part of the &quot;North Carolina Start Your Own Law Firm&quot; curricula.
Their graduates are economically and professionally successful, going to places where they have no family or contact.. They get job offers from all over the southeast.
 
They cannot get admitted to the law school unless they can demonstrate that they know what it means to be a practicing lawyer. They must take Law Practice Management  to graduate. Their text is my book and the program is (or was) a huge success.  They do well because they can hit the deck running in solo practice or in a firm.
 
The key is that the school only accepts people who want to be lawyers and who know something about being a lawyer.
 
&quot;If you do what you love, you&#039;ll love what you&#039;re doing.&quot;
 
Best Jay
 
 
Jay Foonberg
Attorney, CPA, CLE Presenter, Author,
Fellow - American College of Law Practice Management,
4-Time ABA Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient
How to Start and Build a Law Practice, 5th ed.
How to Get and Keep Good Clients, 3rd ed.
ABA Guide to Lawyer Trust Accounts
How to Draft Bills Clients Rush to Pay, 2nd ed.
Finding the Right Lawyer
Getting Paid in Good Times and Bad (June 2009)
www.FoonbergLaw.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Jay Foonberg:</p>
<p>Susan,<br />
Your advice is good. Let me augment it a bit.</p>
<p>I would add to your excellent advice:</p>
<p>Go to as many bar association lunches as you an. Sit at tables where there ae lawyers. Listen to them talk. Learn from their talk what they do. Introduce yourself as a student and say you want  to learn more about being a lawyer. They will tell you a lot more than you thought to ask about. Ask them the question:<br />
&#8220;If you had it to do all over again, would you have gone to law school?&#8221;  Their answers will give you an excellent series of answers to your questions.</p>
<p>Anyone considering law school should ask themselves&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Do I want to go to law school just to go to law school? Or do I want to go to law school to become a lawyer?&#8221;</p>
<p>    People have varied reasons for going to law school other than to become a practicing lawyer. Some of the more common ones are:<br />
    Delaying earning a living for 3 or 4 years<br />
    Delaying a marital or child bearing situation<br />
    Delaying military service<br />
    Trust fund money continues so long as an erolled student<br />
    Easier than having to learn &#8220;stuff&#8221; like accounting or mathematics or science.<br />
    Looks like the fast track to big bucks based on what lawyers do and their life styles on TV and in the movies.<br />
    Being ignorant of what a business is, they think law is a money grabbing business, not a profession.<br />
    Totally misguided  belief in what lawyers earn based on the press releases of the largest firms and those who indicate they can get you that kind of money.</p>
<p>Most of the unhappy lawyers whom I meet are people who never should have gone to law school to begin with.</p>
<p>As you point out, they knew little to nothing about what it means to be a lawyer before starting law school.</p>
<p>I lectured for many years at Campbell University Law School in North Carolina as part of the &#8220;North Carolina Start Your Own Law Firm&#8221; curricula.<br />
Their graduates are economically and professionally successful, going to places where they have no family or contact.. They get job offers from all over the southeast.</p>
<p>They cannot get admitted to the law school unless they can demonstrate that they know what it means to be a practicing lawyer. They must take Law Practice Management  to graduate. Their text is my book and the program is (or was) a huge success.  They do well because they can hit the deck running in solo practice or in a firm.</p>
<p>The key is that the school only accepts people who want to be lawyers and who know something about being a lawyer.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you do what you love, you&#8217;ll love what you&#8217;re doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Best Jay</p>
<p>Jay Foonberg<br />
Attorney, CPA, CLE Presenter, Author,<br />
Fellow &#8211; American College of Law Practice Management,<br />
4-Time ABA Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient<br />
How to Start and Build a Law Practice, 5th ed.<br />
How to Get and Keep Good Clients, 3rd ed.<br />
ABA Guide to Lawyer Trust Accounts<br />
How to Draft Bills Clients Rush to Pay, 2nd ed.<br />
Finding the Right Lawyer<br />
Getting Paid in Good Times and Bad (June 2009)<br />
<a href="http://www.FoonbergLaw.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.FoonbergLaw.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Cartier Liebel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is neither useless nor harmful.  It was clearly qualified as generalized but based upon concrete information from nearly 300,000 lawyers mandated to report their net incomes to the IRS and brought forward to today&#039;s dollars while figuring in a reduced overhead due to technological advances and outsourcing.  This would include all those you have mentioned as skewing the numbers as well as where the solo is practicing. Most other lists are extremely biased, voluntarily self-reported without any substantiation and highly favorable to the individual reporting. Solo income&#039;s are very slippery, something I&#039;ve discussed at length over five years of blogging.  I also discounted those first coming out of law school from this suggested income.  There are a lot of variables but I trust this generalized number as a basis for evaluating the debt one accrues for their education and for figuring out payback while factoring in the economy, overhead, and being on one&#039;s own for at least three years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is neither useless nor harmful.  It was clearly qualified as generalized but based upon concrete information from nearly 300,000 lawyers mandated to report their net incomes to the IRS and brought forward to today&#8217;s dollars while figuring in a reduced overhead due to technological advances and outsourcing.  This would include all those you have mentioned as skewing the numbers as well as where the solo is practicing. Most other lists are extremely biased, voluntarily self-reported without any substantiation and highly favorable to the individual reporting. Solo income&#8217;s are very slippery, something I&#8217;ve discussed at length over five years of blogging.  I also discounted those first coming out of law school from this suggested income.  There are a lot of variables but I trust this generalized number as a basis for evaluating the debt one accrues for their education and for figuring out payback while factoring in the economy, overhead, and being on one&#8217;s own for at least three years.</p>
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		<title>By: BL1Y</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BL1Y]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This type of information is at best useless, and at worst harmful.

First, using the average income is pretty useless in law. There will be a few PI attorneys taking home seven figure contingency fees and will completely screw up the average. What you need is the median figure.

But, more importantly, this data doesn&#039;t at all distinguish among the different kinds of solo practices. There&#039;s a huge difference between someone leaving their mid-law shop 15 years into practice and opening up their own firm with the resources to get a nice office, hire a secretary and a paralegal, pay for marketing, and take a big enough book of business with them to be making money on day 1.

On the other end, you have recent graduates with no experience, virtually no practical skills, few contacts, and not enough money to even drive themselves to Starbuck&#039;s for a client meeting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This type of information is at best useless, and at worst harmful.</p>
<p>First, using the average income is pretty useless in law. There will be a few PI attorneys taking home seven figure contingency fees and will completely screw up the average. What you need is the median figure.</p>
<p>But, more importantly, this data doesn&#8217;t at all distinguish among the different kinds of solo practices. There&#8217;s a huge difference between someone leaving their mid-law shop 15 years into practice and opening up their own firm with the resources to get a nice office, hire a secretary and a paralegal, pay for marketing, and take a big enough book of business with them to be making money on day 1.</p>
<p>On the other end, you have recent graduates with no experience, virtually no practical skills, few contacts, and not enough money to even drive themselves to Starbuck&#8217;s for a client meeting.</p>
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