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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Cartier Liebel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike,

Remember, this is just the opinion from two students and their respective schools.  But I think there are  a lot of &#039;Wallersteins&#039; out there.  And I am so excited for the initiative you&#039;ve shown and your generosity with your information.  It will be very interesting to see how you all do upon passing the bar!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Remember, this is just the opinion from two students and their respective schools.  But I think there are  a lot of &#8216;Wallersteins&#8217; out there.  And I am so excited for the initiative you&#8217;ve shown and your generosity with your information.  It will be very interesting to see how you all do upon passing the bar!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Whelan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally had a chance to listen to this and appreciated it. The only issue I take is with the idea that most law school students are like the guy in the article. I can say the kids at Texas are good kids. A lot of them (including me sometimes) drop nonchalant &quot;let&#039;s wait for a bailout&quot; comments because they&#039;re totally lost. When I started the Future Solo and Small Firm Attorney&#039;s Group here most of my friends ignored it because they weren&#039;t ready to face it. Now they are owning it and getting involved. They focused on grades and ignored the career planning stuff I focused on, and their grades are better than mine and they probably know more substantive law than I do. They have their strengths and I take it as a personal mission to help them find their path. I&#039;ve learned about technology and marketing and business plans because that&#039;s what I like about the law. Hopefully I can help all of them become successful, if nothing else so I can ask them for a loan later :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally had a chance to listen to this and appreciated it. The only issue I take is with the idea that most law school students are like the guy in the article. I can say the kids at Texas are good kids. A lot of them (including me sometimes) drop nonchalant &#8220;let&#8217;s wait for a bailout&#8221; comments because they&#8217;re totally lost. When I started the Future Solo and Small Firm Attorney&#8217;s Group here most of my friends ignored it because they weren&#8217;t ready to face it. Now they are owning it and getting involved. They focused on grades and ignored the career planning stuff I focused on, and their grades are better than mine and they probably know more substantive law than I do. They have their strengths and I take it as a personal mission to help them find their path. I&#8217;ve learned about technology and marketing and business plans because that&#8217;s what I like about the law. Hopefully I can help all of them become successful, if nothing else so I can ask them for a loan later <img src="https://solopracticeuniversity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Celeste Boyd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed the audio discussion! I chose my &quot;alternative&quot; career path (working as a Freelance Attorney) for slightly different (i.e., non-economic) reasons--my husband is in the military, and our &quot;geographic insecurity&quot; makes flexibility an enormously important criteria for my job. But the more I learn about other people who&#039;ve embarked on similarly entrepreneurial legal endeavors, the more I feel extremely privileged to be in such good company! Rachel, Jack, and Susan: Thank you for the reminder that there are people out there who are daring to direct the course of their own lives and careers, rather than simply &quot;drift&quot; along (to reference a previous comment)!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed the audio discussion! I chose my &#8220;alternative&#8221; career path (working as a Freelance Attorney) for slightly different (i.e., non-economic) reasons&#8211;my husband is in the military, and our &#8220;geographic insecurity&#8221; makes flexibility an enormously important criteria for my job. But the more I learn about other people who&#8217;ve embarked on similarly entrepreneurial legal endeavors, the more I feel extremely privileged to be in such good company! Rachel, Jack, and Susan: Thank you for the reminder that there are people out there who are daring to direct the course of their own lives and careers, rather than simply &#8220;drift&#8221; along (to reference a previous comment)!</p>
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		<title>By: Law Students for a Fair Profession</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Law Students for a Fair Profession]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I covered this article on my blog.  I take the position that Canadians face the same issues as the Americans.  It&#039;s not a popular position, to be sure, but as was mentioned rising tuition and student loan debt are changing the field here at home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I covered this article on my blog.  I take the position that Canadians face the same issues as the Americans.  It&#8217;s not a popular position, to be sure, but as was mentioned rising tuition and student loan debt are changing the field here at home.</p>
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		<title>By: HollyS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HollyS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Susan!! Finally a response to all of this law school scam talk that I completely agree with. I&#039;m an attorney who is absolutely thrilled to be doing what I do. I&#039;ve only been out of law school for 3 years. I&#039;m not angry or bitter about the job market, or the profession in general. I think too many people drifted in to being a lawyer, without actually wanting to BE a lawyer.  Too many people entered law school thinking that there would be a big payoff at the end. When that did not occur, for whatever reason, law schools began to be blamed for everything from accepting too many students to being too expensive. 

Now, to be sure, there should be a more accountability when it comes to reporting but that is in no way the cause of the problems that now exist with this so called &quot;lost generation&quot;. 

What these disgruntled JD&#039;s need to realize is that life owes them nothing. They are not entitled to anything and if going to law school ended up being a bad choice then the only person that any of these disgruntled students have to blame is themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Susan!! Finally a response to all of this law school scam talk that I completely agree with. I&#8217;m an attorney who is absolutely thrilled to be doing what I do. I&#8217;ve only been out of law school for 3 years. I&#8217;m not angry or bitter about the job market, or the profession in general. I think too many people drifted in to being a lawyer, without actually wanting to BE a lawyer.  Too many people entered law school thinking that there would be a big payoff at the end. When that did not occur, for whatever reason, law schools began to be blamed for everything from accepting too many students to being too expensive. </p>
<p>Now, to be sure, there should be a more accountability when it comes to reporting but that is in no way the cause of the problems that now exist with this so called &#8220;lost generation&#8221;. </p>
<p>What these disgruntled JD&#8217;s need to realize is that life owes them nothing. They are not entitled to anything and if going to law school ended up being a bad choice then the only person that any of these disgruntled students have to blame is themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gretchen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 01:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The student loan industry is appalling. Can I look into my crystal ball and predict reforms will have to start happening soon? The whole thing is on the verge of imploding. 

On another forum, someone suggested that law students and other graduate students taking out huge amounts of debt be required to go through a similar vetting process as someone applying for a small business loan. The idea, I suppose, is getting the person to think hard about the ROI and whether it&#039;s the best investment. The problem is, most 22-year-olds--especially the self-selecting, gifted set of students who choose law school--believe they can beat the employment odds. I suppose that&#039;s no different than an eager new restaurant owner thinking they&#039;ll beat those odds. 

Anyway, I&#039;m 33 and am thinking about law school, and am weighing the risks and benefits carefully. At this age, I have a lot more at stake. Luckily, life intervened and I didn&#039;t pursue the Ph.D. in English that I was considering at age 22. Now THAT is a bad investment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The student loan industry is appalling. Can I look into my crystal ball and predict reforms will have to start happening soon? The whole thing is on the verge of imploding. </p>
<p>On another forum, someone suggested that law students and other graduate students taking out huge amounts of debt be required to go through a similar vetting process as someone applying for a small business loan. The idea, I suppose, is getting the person to think hard about the ROI and whether it&#8217;s the best investment. The problem is, most 22-year-olds&#8211;especially the self-selecting, gifted set of students who choose law school&#8211;believe they can beat the employment odds. I suppose that&#8217;s no different than an eager new restaurant owner thinking they&#8217;ll beat those odds. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m 33 and am thinking about law school, and am weighing the risks and benefits carefully. At this age, I have a lot more at stake. Luckily, life intervened and I didn&#8217;t pursue the Ph.D. in English that I was considering at age 22. Now THAT is a bad investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Keeling</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Keeling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a good article, but is it reasonable to expect to go to school for three years and come out the other end of the process earning $160,000 a year? If someone is interested in going to law school and going into debt for the cost, wouldn&#039;t it be a good idea to talk to other lawyers and find out the truth? Not only that, but arrogance is a poor substitute for strategy. How many very smart people go to law school, naturally thinking they would be in the top 10% of the class and get a GREAT law job, only to find out how average they are in a room full of other law students? Whatever law schools tell you, or whatever they do to dress up their rankings, doesn&#039;t it make sense to make a reasonable investigation of the prospects after law school before committing to a life changing debt? I am really tired of listening to law students whine about that. If you can&#039;t afford law school, don&#039;t go to law school! Think!
A law school education is good. Very good. I would do it all over again, only sooner. I&#039;m 50 in May, and just started.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good article, but is it reasonable to expect to go to school for three years and come out the other end of the process earning $160,000 a year? If someone is interested in going to law school and going into debt for the cost, wouldn&#8217;t it be a good idea to talk to other lawyers and find out the truth? Not only that, but arrogance is a poor substitute for strategy. How many very smart people go to law school, naturally thinking they would be in the top 10% of the class and get a GREAT law job, only to find out how average they are in a room full of other law students? Whatever law schools tell you, or whatever they do to dress up their rankings, doesn&#8217;t it make sense to make a reasonable investigation of the prospects after law school before committing to a life changing debt? I am really tired of listening to law students whine about that. If you can&#8217;t afford law school, don&#8217;t go to law school! Think!<br />
A law school education is good. Very good. I would do it all over again, only sooner. I&#8217;m 50 in May, and just started.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Cartier Liebel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gretchen,

I have no doubt Rachel and Jack will be successful. I think they already are :-). While personal responsibility is an absolute, sometimes it&#039;s hard when the deck is stacked against you in ways that are only just starting to come to light. I am appalled at how financial aid is just handed out like candy at Halloween while the lenders and law schools are laughing all the way to bank because their money is protected forever.  The more money they hand out the richer they become. It&#039;s the best investment out there when you look at return on investment!! If the law schools had to share in the risk on the loans, maybe they would be more careful who they admitted and educated the student on their financial obligations because repayment turned on being more selective. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchen,</p>
<p>I have no doubt Rachel and Jack will be successful. I think they already are :-). While personal responsibility is an absolute, sometimes it&#8217;s hard when the deck is stacked against you in ways that are only just starting to come to light. I am appalled at how financial aid is just handed out like candy at Halloween while the lenders and law schools are laughing all the way to bank because their money is protected forever.  The more money they hand out the richer they become. It&#8217;s the best investment out there when you look at return on investment!! If the law schools had to share in the risk on the loans, maybe they would be more careful who they admitted and educated the student on their financial obligations because repayment turned on being more selective. </p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Westerberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawn Westerberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Full disclosure:  My son is in his 2nd year of law school.

If the law school is misrepresenting data to their perspective students - yeah, it&#039;s sleazy.But NO ONE can promise you a happy ending.  NO ONE. Whether motives are sleazy or motives are pure - each one of us has to weigh all of the variables, throw in the fact that horrific change can happen (9/11, 2008 economic meltdown, tsunamis, droughts, wars) and go out and live life.

Yes, sometimes it&#039;s not easy.  Sometimes it&#039;s hard to find a job - but my God these kids have a JD - they&#039;re not high school grads that have been working on the docks for 15 years and now are unqualified for the few number of jobs available.  

I can&#039;t really be upset about their &quot;plight.&quot;

(Really enjoy the blog, btw).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full disclosure:  My son is in his 2nd year of law school.</p>
<p>If the law school is misrepresenting data to their perspective students &#8211; yeah, it&#8217;s sleazy.But NO ONE can promise you a happy ending.  NO ONE. Whether motives are sleazy or motives are pure &#8211; each one of us has to weigh all of the variables, throw in the fact that horrific change can happen (9/11, 2008 economic meltdown, tsunamis, droughts, wars) and go out and live life.</p>
<p>Yes, sometimes it&#8217;s not easy.  Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to find a job &#8211; but my God these kids have a JD &#8211; they&#8217;re not high school grads that have been working on the docks for 15 years and now are unqualified for the few number of jobs available.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really be upset about their &#8220;plight.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Really enjoy the blog, btw).</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan Cartier Liebel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jack, I actually find it empowering.  The more information which comes out, the stronger position for change for everyone. With this type of outrageousness highlighted there will be a crescendo building.  

While people should still ethically and morally do the right thing by their loans, I think the time will come in the not too distant future where we will see change and relief from some of these draconian laws and decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, I actually find it empowering.  The more information which comes out, the stronger position for change for everyone. With this type of outrageousness highlighted there will be a crescendo building.  </p>
<p>While people should still ethically and morally do the right thing by their loans, I think the time will come in the not too distant future where we will see change and relief from some of these draconian laws and decisions.</p>
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