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		<title>By: DJM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 02:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw these two blog posts and the comment from Jennifer Rose.  Apparently the ABA Annual Meeting is a true reflection of their lack of understanding about the solo practitioner and their needs.

http://mylawlicense.blogspot.com/2010/08/perfect-aba-finds-10-no-9-no-8-no-4.html

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2010/08/07/the-seduction-of-the-aba.aspx?ref=rss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw these two blog posts and the comment from Jennifer Rose.  Apparently the ABA Annual Meeting is a true reflection of their lack of understanding about the solo practitioner and their needs.</p>
<p><a href="http://mylawlicense.blogspot.com/2010/08/perfect-aba-finds-10-no-9-no-8-no-4.html" rel="nofollow">http://mylawlicense.blogspot.com/2010/08/perfect-aba-finds-10-no-9-no-8-no-4.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Cartier Liebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephanie,

As always you raise good points. And thank you for the great work you have done on the task force (and SPU as faculty!) educating those on cloud-computing and virtual office technology. These two are becoming increasingly critical when a lawyer considers going solo or staying solo because it keeps them cost-effective and highly competitive.

And, as others have commented, it is the sections, whether geographically highly localized or practice area &#039;localized&#039; which present the greatest perceived value.  This is the greatest request.  But there is much, much work to be done.  And as many have pointed out, solos don&#039;t have the luxury of the work and time commitment it takes to participate in the ABA fully while they struggle to build and maintain their solo practices/livelihoods.  When you work for a firm that cuts you a check and supports your time and efforts for association involvement it&#039;s very different. But then, again, that person does not necessarily have the solo&#039;s needs at heart nor reasonably understands the solos needs. So, the pendulum naturally swings in favor of the greatest representation, larger firms.  It&#039;s a vicious cycle :-)

However, this is nothing new!  The ABA has always focused primarily on larger firms and Big Law needs even when times were flush in the legal profession and solos still needed services.  So, I&#039;m clearly more skeptical than you and with good reason.  I&#039;ve always believed you &#039;follow the money&#039; and as the ABA follows the &#039;loss of money through loss of membership&#039; they are looking to the solos to stop the bleeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie,</p>
<p>As always you raise good points. And thank you for the great work you have done on the task force (and SPU as faculty!) educating those on cloud-computing and virtual office technology. These two are becoming increasingly critical when a lawyer considers going solo or staying solo because it keeps them cost-effective and highly competitive.</p>
<p>And, as others have commented, it is the sections, whether geographically highly localized or practice area &#8216;localized&#8217; which present the greatest perceived value.  This is the greatest request.  But there is much, much work to be done.  And as many have pointed out, solos don&#8217;t have the luxury of the work and time commitment it takes to participate in the ABA fully while they struggle to build and maintain their solo practices/livelihoods.  When you work for a firm that cuts you a check and supports your time and efforts for association involvement it&#8217;s very different. But then, again, that person does not necessarily have the solo&#8217;s needs at heart nor reasonably understands the solos needs. So, the pendulum naturally swings in favor of the greatest representation, larger firms.  It&#8217;s a vicious cycle <img src='http://solopracticeuniversity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, this is nothing new!  The ABA has always focused primarily on larger firms and Big Law needs even when times were flush in the legal profession and solos still needed services.  So, I&#8217;m clearly more skeptical than you and with good reason.  I&#8217;ve always believed you &#8216;follow the money&#8217; and as the ABA follows the &#8216;loss of money through loss of membership&#8217; they are looking to the solos to stop the bleeding.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric L. Mayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric L. Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems as though ABA-type organizations are around every corner. Many of them, when asked about the value for the common person, tout their ability to lobby. I&#039;d love to know the actual value (and cost) of lobbying. While they may fund other programs, they mostly appear to be window dressing. I&#039;d rather give my dollars to the fine folks running programs in this blog instead of an impersonal, multifaceted, national organization.  Consider organizations that presented themselves to me in the past:

ABA:  I&#039;m a solo criminal defense attorney focused on defending servicemembers in our armed forces (I took Chuck Newton seriously when he said to niche my practice). The court system I operate under is very streamlined, very transparent, and very easy to research. So, I&#039;m not seeing it.  Although, I did have a client accuse me of not being a licensed attorney because I am not a member of the ABA.

AUSA:  The Association of the US Army.  Again, they tout their lobbying, but benefits for servicemembers have never been higher, largely because of the folks working at the Pentagon, not lobbyists from AUSA. Again, I&#039;ll pass.

Alumni Organizations.  You know, I&#039;m not even going to touch this one.

I could go on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems as though ABA-type organizations are around every corner. Many of them, when asked about the value for the common person, tout their ability to lobby. I&#8217;d love to know the actual value (and cost) of lobbying. While they may fund other programs, they mostly appear to be window dressing. I&#8217;d rather give my dollars to the fine folks running programs in this blog instead of an impersonal, multifaceted, national organization.  Consider organizations that presented themselves to me in the past:</p>
<p>ABA:  I&#8217;m a solo criminal defense attorney focused on defending servicemembers in our armed forces (I took Chuck Newton seriously when he said to niche my practice). The court system I operate under is very streamlined, very transparent, and very easy to research. So, I&#8217;m not seeing it.  Although, I did have a client accuse me of not being a licensed attorney because I am not a member of the ABA.</p>
<p>AUSA:  The Association of the US Army.  Again, they tout their lobbying, but benefits for servicemembers have never been higher, largely because of the folks working at the Pentagon, not lobbyists from AUSA. Again, I&#8217;ll pass.</p>
<p>Alumni Organizations.  You know, I&#8217;m not even going to touch this one.</p>
<p>I could go on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Cartier Liebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would love you too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would love you too!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article! I need to look into the Solo Practice University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article! I need to look into the Solo Practice University.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Kimbro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Kimbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many of the comments above.  However, I still think it&#039;s important that the voice of the solo and our unique perspectives on the practice of law are kept alive in the different sections ABA.  I&#039;m an active member in the ABA&#039;s eLawyering Task Force which has done educational outreach sessions where most of our audience are solos or small firms. I have also provided information to the Ethics 20/20 Commission on cloud computing and virtual law practice.  I appreciated this opportunity and did feel like those within the ABA receiving the information were receptive and were making an effort to understand the differences in concerns that solos have from BigLaw which they are more used to dealing with.

I do think that they are aware that the membership of the bar is changing significantly and will continue to do so dramatically as the baby boomer generation of attorneys slowly begins to retire.  Sure, they are concerned for the bottom line just like any organization would be, but I&#039;ll choose to see these new changes as a positive acknowledgment and baby steps in the right direction.  Because the ABA does have influence on state bars, internationally and even over the public&#039;s perception of our profession, I think that it can&#039;t hurt to continue to make sure that the needs of the solo practitioner are represented within the ABA - especially as they look at proposing regulations on cloud computing that could affect our practices or influence our state bars into taking similar action.   It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  Without the participation of other solos, it won&#039;t get very far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of the comments above.  However, I still think it&#8217;s important that the voice of the solo and our unique perspectives on the practice of law are kept alive in the different sections ABA.  I&#8217;m an active member in the ABA&#8217;s eLawyering Task Force which has done educational outreach sessions where most of our audience are solos or small firms. I have also provided information to the Ethics 20/20 Commission on cloud computing and virtual law practice.  I appreciated this opportunity and did feel like those within the ABA receiving the information were receptive and were making an effort to understand the differences in concerns that solos have from BigLaw which they are more used to dealing with.</p>
<p>I do think that they are aware that the membership of the bar is changing significantly and will continue to do so dramatically as the baby boomer generation of attorneys slowly begins to retire.  Sure, they are concerned for the bottom line just like any organization would be, but I&#8217;ll choose to see these new changes as a positive acknowledgment and baby steps in the right direction.  Because the ABA does have influence on state bars, internationally and even over the public&#8217;s perception of our profession, I think that it can&#8217;t hurt to continue to make sure that the needs of the solo practitioner are represented within the ABA &#8211; especially as they look at proposing regulations on cloud computing that could affect our practices or influence our state bars into taking similar action.   It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  Without the participation of other solos, it won&#8217;t get very far.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Cartier Liebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caitlin, thanks for visiting and sharing your perspective.  Although many won&#039;t actually admit it publicly as you did, your sentiment is shared by so many.  I know so few lawyers who actually belong to the ABA.  Usually, if they do it is (or was) part of the Big Law setting where the fees were picked up by the firm.  It&#039;s not the price, its the attitude and the value.  Again, it is not to say that over time they can&#039;t prove their value and restructure and provide things truly relevant to the solo, but that time is not now and certainly not the way they are going about it as evidenced by their &#039;announcements&#039;. And as more time passes and independent lawyers and other organizations zoom ahead with the use of technology to share information and create relevant environments that speak to the needs of the solo, it will become harder and harder for the ABA to do so in any meaningful way because right now they still don&#039;t get it...not when it comes to solos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caitlin, thanks for visiting and sharing your perspective.  Although many won&#8217;t actually admit it publicly as you did, your sentiment is shared by so many.  I know so few lawyers who actually belong to the ABA.  Usually, if they do it is (or was) part of the Big Law setting where the fees were picked up by the firm.  It&#8217;s not the price, its the attitude and the value.  Again, it is not to say that over time they can&#8217;t prove their value and restructure and provide things truly relevant to the solo, but that time is not now and certainly not the way they are going about it as evidenced by their &#8216;announcements&#8217;. And as more time passes and independent lawyers and other organizations zoom ahead with the use of technology to share information and create relevant environments that speak to the needs of the solo, it will become harder and harder for the ABA to do so in any meaningful way because right now they still don&#8217;t get it&#8230;not when it comes to solos.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Collier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am, and have been for many years, a solo practitioner in a small town in a rural state.  I have not been a member of the ABA for at least ten years.  The vast majority of the information that was available to me as a member within my price range was written on the level of a &quot;People&quot; magazine for lawyers.    I never felt that the policies of the ABA were of particular relevance to me, and too much of the ABA&#039;s work felt alot like that of a fraternity.
I tell my clients, those very few who ask, that I do not belong to the ABA for the same reason that I do not have a $ 1500 desk:  that is not the law I practice, but if they want to pay excessive fees for the fancy furniture and the lawyer with the big car, I know where to send them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am, and have been for many years, a solo practitioner in a small town in a rural state.  I have not been a member of the ABA for at least ten years.  The vast majority of the information that was available to me as a member within my price range was written on the level of a &#8220;People&#8221; magazine for lawyers.    I never felt that the policies of the ABA were of particular relevance to me, and too much of the ABA&#8217;s work felt alot like that of a fraternity.<br />
I tell my clients, those very few who ask, that I do not belong to the ABA for the same reason that I do not have a $ 1500 desk:  that is not the law I practice, but if they want to pay excessive fees for the fancy furniture and the lawyer with the big car, I know where to send them.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention The ABA: Friend, Foe or…Simply Irrelevant for the Solo? &#124; Build A Solo Practice @ SPU -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Susan Cartier Liebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Cartier Liebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, your comment reminds me of the Big Law model.  They think the answer is to simply offer some type of alternative pricing to those who complain about the billable hour not understanding &#039;value pricing&#039; is a philosophy which permeates the very structure of the law firm. It is a philosophy upon which the firm moves forward and they develop a different partnership with their clients.

This &#039;repackaging&#039; is the same thing. There is nothing new being offered, just a repackaging of the same stuff with a lower price tag and a &#039;portal.&#039; They aren&#039;t hearing those who are speaking even when they are people like yourself who actively participate with the goal of helping.

You can lead a horse to water....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, your comment reminds me of the Big Law model.  They think the answer is to simply offer some type of alternative pricing to those who complain about the billable hour not understanding &#8216;value pricing&#8217; is a philosophy which permeates the very structure of the law firm. It is a philosophy upon which the firm moves forward and they develop a different partnership with their clients.</p>
<p>This &#8216;repackaging&#8217; is the same thing. There is nothing new being offered, just a repackaging of the same stuff with a lower price tag and a &#8216;portal.&#8217; They aren&#8217;t hearing those who are speaking even when they are people like yourself who actively participate with the goal of helping.</p>
<p>You can lead a horse to water&#8230;.</p>
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